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New Kid on the Hallway

Thanks for posting this - I knew very little about these laws. One was instituted in the state where I used to live in the wake of a case of a baby found in a public restroom trashcan, but I guess I kind of wondered how it would really change the situations it was designed to address.

bitchphd

I don't know much about these laws, either, and I did run across some of the things you mention in a very brief google search--but some of the things I found were posted by religious organizations, so I dismissed them.

I agree: it is far more important to destigmatize pregnancy, to provide prenatal care, all of it. And honestly, I do think that infanticide is always going to occur, just as murder will always occur: it's part of our nature.

Food for thought. Thanks :)

Dawn

Wow, this was helpful; thank you. I wasn't sure what to think of Safe Haven laws. They certainly sounded good but from what I knew about abandoned babies, I did wonder how they would actually work. But I hadn't looked into it lately to see whether or not they were working. This certainly gives me a lot to consider and I appreciate it.

Sharon

I'm going to have to take issue with you on one thing. I've read the Adoption Institute's (http://www.adoptioninstitute.org/whowe/Last%20report.pdf) full report. Its criticism of safe haven laws is compelling and everyone concerned with this should read it. It *does* contain some very worrying evidence that women who might have turned to adoption have instead used the legal abandonment laws. But it does not support your argument that safe haven laws are positively encouraging women (who would not have done so otherwise) to conceal their pregnancies; it briefly suggests this but gives no supporting evidence for it. In fact, it repeatedly argues that the safe haven laws are making *no* difference to those women who would previously have concealed their pregnancies and abandoned their babies unsafely, and it points out that unsafe abandonments have been continuing at the same (low) rate since the adoption of these laws.

I really don't want to sound negative, because I think this is a great post - it really made me think about this matter in a great light. Thanks for that.

mjones

I agree with Sharon, that it is a great post, but also that legislation has very little effect on these sorts of fundamental decisions women face.

It's so frustrating! Centuries ago some people argued against allowing women to anonymously leave their infants at foundling hospitals, on the grounds that it would encourage immorality. What these people were really against, was losing the opportunity to make women pay for their "indiscretions."

marlene

Thanks a lot.I needed to do a speech on the safe haven law for a college course but I didn't know exactly which route to go because I have only heard good things about the baby safe haven but now I know about the other side and it's not as good as I thought.

Christopher Fox Graham

Argue about the laws all you want and their limited use. Until there is cradle to grave healthcare and social and relgious stigma about teaching safe sex and contraceptives in eliminated, infanticide will occur. But if the law prevents one infanticide like this, http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1011deadbaby11.html, this law is valuable.

In 18 years, ask the child whose life is saved because of these laws, whether they are worth passing legislation.

Beth

Christopher, that link you just posted does not work. However, I encourage you to view this link: http://www.americanadoptioncongress.org/position-statements-abandoned.htm or this one http://www.ncsl.org/programs/cyf/slr268.htm

Ask the parents of the teen girl who dies (along with their grandchild) because of complications from a concealed pregnancy whether the law was worth it. Ask the mother of the baby who was abducted and turned in to a "safe haven" whether the law was worth it. Ask the children now who were foundlings and know nothing of their ethnic or medical history whether these laws are worth it--Bastard Nation (www.bastards.org) has many "founding foundlings" who would appreciate the opportunity to enlighten you.

If even ONE baby or child dies from not receiving proper medical care, does that make the law NOT worth it? Because that already has happened. Bastardette tracks these things; ask her to subscribe you to her newsletter http://bastardette.blogspot.com/ (and yes, she is obviously an anti-safe haven advocate, but guess what? Governmental organizations largely DON'T EVEN TRY to track this information. Her newsletter links to stories published in local papers and television stations, so you can verify the events she reports.)

Furthermore, there is no evidence to suggest that these laws have prevented ANY infanticides. I assume the broken link you posted referred to an infant death in Arizona. Well, Arizona ALREADY HAS a safe haven law. It didn't prevent whatever tragedy you're trying to post here.

I won't argue about the need for better healthcare and safe sex teaching however. We *definitely* agree on that. Did you get a chance to look at Project Cuddle's website? A better solution, clearly.

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